Trader Joe’s – Can’t Guarantee Deforestation-Free Palm Oil

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I have a pretty long history of hassling Trader Joe’s for their palm oil policy. It hasn’t always been pretty. But in 2015, they promised their palm oil was from South America, which, while still suspicious if deforesting, say, the Amazon, at least meant the deforestation ground zero of Indonesia and Malaysia was not implicated this time.

Here’s the link to that past history:

So I went into a TJ’s recently and saw palm oil in a chocolate bar. So I wrote them, hoping the palm oil policy had been at least the same — or even more promising for the environment. Here’s their answer:

Thanks for writing to express your concerns over the use of Palm Oil in our products. We will forwarded your comments to the appropriate buyers and our Product Steering Committee for review. At Trader Joe’s we are always striving to improve and your feedback allows us to do so.

Much of the palm oil used in our Trader Joe’s products comes from smaller-scale family farms. These farmers are sometimes certified by ProForest and/or are members of the RSPO (Roundtable on Sustainable Palm Oil), which ensures that they meet strict social, environmental and technical criteria. For an example, one of our suppliers who utilized Palm Oil in our products, has kept to their pledge to source 100% RSPO sustainably sourced Palm Oil since 2015. Many of our suppliers that utilize Palm Oil are committed to working with oil suppliers to support the development of a sustainable, cost-effective market for palm oil to prevent the deforestation of lands.

With regard to environmental criteria, the assessments required by ProForest and RSPO are carried out at the landscape and operational level at both the farms and processing facilities. These assessments cover environmental impact on the soil, water, air, biodiversity and local communities. The lands the farmers use are not lands that were deforested. The lands used to grow the palm fruit are lands previously used for agricultural purposes (cattle, rice, bananas, etc.).

Still, though, while much of the palm oil our vendor’s source is as described above, it is impossible and disingenuous for us at this time to ensure that all of our palm oil is sourced this way, and some of it is definitely sourced as a commodity. However, for those products where the palm oil is sourced as a commodity, it is an ongoing process to work with these remaining suppliers to move towards a verified sustainable source. We definitely appreciate your input, as we truly depend on customer feedback to help us determine how we do things. Hope this information helps and thanks again for reaching out.

Customer Relations
Trader Joe’s

What the serious Fuck!?

“…[I]t is impossible and disingenuous for us at this time to ensure that all of our palm oil is sourced this way, and some of it is definitely sourced as a commodity.”

So I wrote them back. Shocked that they find this acceptable.


I responded. You didn’t reply. I find this evasive.

You used to get your palm oil from South America. No more?! So back to Indonesia, who is deforesting faster than any nation on earth for palm oil!

So far no response. That’s not good.

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UPDATE: 1/10/2018: Costco’s Darrell Lea’s Australian Liquorice Bites — Yes, They Contain Palm Oil

UPDATE: 1/10/2018:  A reader commented below that he just saw that Darrell Lea liquorice STILL contains palm oil despite the company’s promise to move away from the palm oil greed that is as addictive as opioids.  So I just wrote them a follow up email asking what gives.

Well that was fast.  Here’s there response hot off the internets:


I appreciate you reaching back out to us and I personally understand your concerns with the use of Palm Oil.  We have trialled alternative ingredient sources but have been unable to replicate the same quality to date.  As a business, we continue to seek “better” ways to manufacture and our product portfolio is certainly ahead of the general market when it comes to ingredients that are both better for the environment as well as our consumers.  I do appreciate however that the use of Palm Oil is one area that we need review.

We do source RSPO but I note your thoughts around this. 
Please feel free to contact me directly at any time for an update….  I will be honest in saying that we are yet to find a suitable replacement so I do not expect changes in the immediate future.  However, please know that I understand and appreciate your concerns and know that we are continuing to work on alternatives.


So I wrote them back with one parting shot (from 2018)

So you continue to cause deforestation, death of orangutans, displacement and/or enslavement of indigenous peoples and the exacerbation of global warming…for licorice?   OK, good to know


I”ll continue my 4+ year boycott.

Original Post:  August 22, 2012

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Darrell Lea (Photo credit: Gene Hunt)

So I noticed a tub of licorice (or liquorice) bites in my work’s common kitchen.  I believe it was bought at Costco, and the name brand was Darrell Lea.  I turned the tub over and read the ingredients.  Sure enough, there was earth-destroying palm oil in it.   So I wrote them an email.  Then I wrote them a second email.  Finally, I wrote again, using exclamation points and capital letters.  Here’s their response:

Thank you for contacting Darrell Lea regarding the use of palm oil in our liquorice products.

I am not sure why we have not received your previous emails, but there have been a few changes to our computer system, including our internet service recently.

Darrell Lea is working towards removing palm oil from our liquorice products. We have a couple of compound ingredients that contain palm oil (which are RSPO) that our suppliers are attempting to replace for us. Work on providing us with alternative materials is ongoing as they do not currently any acceptable replacements.

Kind Regards, Sharon Fletcher Quality Assurance Manager

Well, at least they’re changing their sourcing plans now.  But to again point to RSPO palm oil means absolutely nothing from that impotent organization, run-over by palm oil interests.

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Hippie At Heart – A Deadhead Profile

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Tim Randall thoughtfully surveyed the hundreds of hours of plastic concert cassette tapes neatly stacked before him in old, slightly idealized wooden crates, the kind apparently used to ship citrus back in the day. To him the tapes were nearly as valuable as gold — or at least magical gold pixie dust for their transportive musical qualities — as he doted over them in an almost obsessive-compulsive effort to keep them in chronological order. In the background, the melodious tones of delicate fret work, and lilting guitar riffs playfully dancing across the upper musical register, emanated from the tinny speakers working overtime on the 5-in-1 tape/CD/radio/record/Wi-Fi player. Spying a misfiled second-set concert tape, Randall clicked his tongue sternly, plucked it out and dutifully restacked the collection to make room for its misplaced fraternal twin; its rightful place directly under the first-set tape.

You wouldn’t know it from looking at him, but Randall has been a Grateful Dead fan, or Deadhead, most of his adult life. He grew up in the conservative inland valley of Southern California, and had the misfortune of attending a church-centered school where ministers preached the evils of rock music, even imploring them to burn their records. And his dress as a lawyer these days — pressed slacks, starched blue button-down, but rebellious Doc Martens dress shoes – belie his more counter-cultural musical inclinations. He’s no hippie. But scratch deeper as he’s beatified by a Dead tape he’s playing, and he might as well be a swirling, twirling dervish, like the spinning dancers, or “spinners” as they are called, often found on the periphery of Dead concert halls, blissed out on the grooves, vibes (and, maybe, drugs) of a show.

Each cassette holder is wildly adorned in colorful, stylized block letters in blue, red or black ink, depending on the creator’s artistic whimsy. For two-set concerts, the norm for Grateful Dead shows, the first-set cassette tab contains the upper-half of the names of the towns or concert halls of each live show. The second-set cassette tabs contain the lower portion of those legendary venues. Only when the two cassettes are stacked atop one another, as one complete, two-set show, do the cryptic squiggles and curves reveal their full identity: names like “Madison Square Garden,” “Greek Theater” or even “Cornell ’77,” the Holy Grail of any Dead tape collection.

Though middle-aged, Randall’s relatively young for a Dead tape collector. Considering the band has been around in various iterations for 52 years, the leading edge of Dead fans are now in their 70s. He probably falls somewhere in the meaty center of the Deadhead age spectrum: too young to have seen the Dead in their LSD-fueled psychedelic heyday of the 60s and 70s, but old enough to sneer at the soused, young hoodlums who crashed the scene in the ‘90s merely in search of a good party and easy access to mind-expanding psychedelics. You know, as Randall admonishes in a condescending teenage squeal, “The ones screaming out, ‘Play ‘Touch of Gray’!, Play ‘Touch of Gray’!,’” the Dead’s only late career Top Ten hit from their “In The Dark” album, much to the consternation of disapproving concert veterans like him.

Randall’s concert library started small and humble; a single cassette capturing the second-set of a concert held at Stanford’s Frost Amphitheater on May 6, 1989. It was flipped to him by “somebody who knew somebody” marooned on a conked-out scuba diving boat off the coast of Hawaii with a-one Jerome Jerry Garcia, none other than the guitar-god in Randall’s favorite band. His tape stories all seem to have this same sort of slightly picaresque angle accompanying them too, which only adds to their value. This special tape was sacred too, not only because it was his first, like a child, but also for its sparkling sound quality for an analog tape, an outdated medium which loses fidelity and develops annoying “hiss” with each successive duplication generation. From this lone Stanford show, the collection grew in fits and spurts over the decades.

Randall saw his first show while in college. He commuted trough two hours of freeway traffic with fraternity buddies to what was then known as Irvine Meadows Amphitheater, in southern Orange County, CA, and watched the April 18, 1987 show for free from high above the stage, while perched on the undeveloped hills behind. That he experienced it while high on magic mushrooms is only part of his memory’s allure. He’s self-aware enough that the irony does not escape him that he probably could be considered one of those  shallow, gate-crashing partiers, pejoratively labeled “In the Darkies”; the ones demanding to hear “Touch Of Grey” that he himself ridicules and bemoans. His first show as a paying customer was about a year later, on April 22, 1988, during the Dead’s annual residency at Irvine Meadows. (Deadheads, like baseball fanatics who know player stats, have an enclopedic knowledge of their show attendance.) It wasn’t until about a year after that that he was finally struck by a worshipful epiphany where he just suddenly “got” the music. What was once a mere excuse for a party before, became an almost religious experience.

From that point onward, he had to obtain every taped concert from wherever and whenever he could. The tapes flowed from the tapers on-the-ground at the shows, with their tell-tale giraffe-like microphone stands, shotgun boom mics and Nakamichi tape decks, and filtered through the scene by simple word-of-mouth glad-handing. In those years too, his career stagnated under “you’re-only-young-once” pressure to attend every concert “within an eight-hour drive or three-hour flight” from his L.A. home. He fondly remembers a bootleg t-shirt from the era riffing on an old Fed Ex commercial of the day that captured the Deadhead ethos on concert attendance: “When you absolutely, positively have to be there, every night.” For years of his obsession, Randall dutifully sacrificed some of the date nights and raucous bar calls of his young adulthood to stay home and record the crystal clear concert soundboards that KPFK radio broadcast during prime time hours on Fridays, 8 PM to 11 PM.

Randall’s tape library then burst into museum-like bloom when a fellow Deadhead sold his kaleidoscopically-kolored tape collection to him for a paltry fifty bucks, just enough to cover the blank tape stock (mostly Maxell XL IIs, the Deadhead brand of choice). Soon, Randall was trading with others online thanks to the advent of the internet in the 90s, his collection soon branching out into musical off-shots Phish (Jerry DID die in 1995, after all, and Randall just HAD to move on), and other Deadly-similar jambands with equally psychedelically juxtopositional band names like The String Cheese Incident, moe., and Leftover Salmon. Even as Randall’s work responsibilities got weightier; and his musical interests were pulled in other directions, he loyally dragged his tape collection around with him for some thirty years. His girlfriends demanded playfully that he just get rid of them rather than lug the heavy boxes, crates and cartons with him everywhere. But he couldn’t part with them.

Until that day finally came recently. Paying heed to a new girlfriend who waxes enthusiastic on downsizing and simplifying life, Randall finally agreed to part with his cherished library after so many years. These days there’s really no reason to go analog anymore anyway, what, with all that’s available on internet archives and shared bit torrent websites, unless you’re an analog snob, that is. Indeed, nowadays, digital downloads are immediately available after a concert, or even sometimes streamed live in-the-moment via audience streaming applications like Mixlr and Periscope.

So Randall posted an ad on Craigslist:

“Dead Tape Collection Free To A Good Home.”

He quickly received three serious offers. Oddly, two of them came from different people with the same name, “Paul,” a seeming synchronicity characteristic of Dead subculture trippiness, Randall mused. He opted for the first Paul to respond, without swapping much more than an address, phone number and appointment. When it came time to part ways with his bounty, it took Randall three dolly trips to wheel his library out to Paul’s white panel van. Along the way they traded war stories of shows, their favorite bands, and of irascible Garcia’s enraptured hold on Deadheads. But Randall could quickly tell that Paul wasn’t as knowledgeable and experienced as he was, at least on matters involving either the Dead music or the scene. That’s good, Randall thought. These tapes can help turn Paul onto a whole new musical world, like it did him. And Paul, in turn, seemed sincerely touched by the huge donation, even offering a token payment for the tape stock, which Randall politely declined, muttering something corny about “paying it forward.”

As Paul drove off into the night with some 700 hours of new Dead tapes, Randall knew his library had found a good home. As he headed back to his apartment, he didn’t seem prone to wistful longing or weepy nostalgia over the loss of his tape library. In fact, he had a little jaunt in his “giddy-up” and uttered a meaningful stanza or two from one of his favorite Dead tunes that aptly fit the occasion:

“When you get confused

Just listen to the music play.”


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West Kalimantan Fadeaway



The hairy, ginger-colored primate strutted awkwardly toward us, like an unsure toddler learning to walk, until he halted, squared himself up, and glared. His wondrous gaze of seeming defiance — long arms, the length of his lower body and nearly scraping the ground, drawn to his side like a cocky young boxer sizing-up his competition, his troglodytic fists clinched, and one bushy foot’s elongated toes charmingly curled under – captured the inherently playful, intelligent, and soulful good nature of the species. The back of my neck sprouted goosebumps of excitement as I watched behind a protective window. The majestic Red Ape, as it’s called, was, after all, the ultimate reason I had come to West Kalimantan, an Indonesian sector of Borneo, in the first place. And this glorious, hirsute beast who pranced over to check us out was “Grendon.” He and his kind once roamed the jungle forests aplenty, and lived among its tree top canopy in numbers once so plentiful that the indigenous people dubbed them “orang-utan” or “man of the forest.”


A few days earlier, however, Borneo’s visual environmental marvels weren’t so enticing. In fact, Indonesia’s West Kalimantan was anything but a conservation nirvana. Everywhere I went smelled like smoke. The acrid, musky odor stung the nostrils and hung in the heavy, sticky air as if fire – whether from the burning of tires, garbage, sewage, stoves, peat bogs, internal combustion engines…or the rainforest – was a way of life in all the massive Third World squalor. Looking back, I could have just been imagining the omnipresent stench, but Borneo, which I heard in the late ’90s was the last great, wild, untouched wilderness frontier, now appeared to be a fetid sewer, blighted by the gloomy costs of poverty, greed, and overpopulation, at least in this part of West Kalimantan. But, then again, even upon my in-country arrival at the Jakarta airport on nearby Java, the jaunty taxi ride was so fraught with the telltale signposts of urban stain and decay, from crippled beggars and greasy street food kiosks to moped-choked city centers, that I texted my girlfriend back in California: “The shit just got real.”

But West Kalimantan’s natural marvels couldn’t all be this depressingly, shockingly disheartening, could they?  Where were the protected natural ecosystems and jungles where the last remaining orangutans lived? I mean, here I was, an attorney devoting pro bono time to a non-governmental organization called Orangutan Outreach (“OO”), and touring those charities that struggled at environmental devastation’s ground zero with a group of well-intentioned American environmentalists. But what I saw more often than not was the unethical, coldhearted destruction of the world’s last great rainforests to clear the way for plantations producing Indonesia’s relatively new cash crop, that horrible consumer staple that is palm oil. Indeed, Indonesia’s golden goose had turned the most populous religious (Muslim) country on Earth into a seemingly soulless, capitalist dystopia; a banana republic in the sinister grip of bribe-taking politicians, crooked cops, and the nascent palm oil mafia, all allegedly policed by a toothless trade organization called the Roundtable for Sustainable Palm Oil (“RSPO”), an Orwellian moniker for a “greenwashing” palm oil group that operated every way but “sustainable.” The RSPO, instead, is really just the “fox” of palm oil companies watching the proverbial hen house (the remaining rainforest).


So I knew the ethereal pall hanging over the villages and towns near the burning rainforests would be depressing. But nothing really prepared me for the dirty West Kalimantan sights, sounds, and smells of ecological destruction. In a word, it was positively soul-crushing. Palm oil, an ultimately needless, but relatively cheap, commodity in half of the world’s consumer products — from soaps, to cosmetics to candy — and derived from a tree native to West Africa thousands of miles away, had turned Indonesia’s island-dotted archipelago into a gold rush of greed, graft, and corruption. Now Indonesia (like Malaysia, which shares parts of Borneo) desperately needs palm oil for its very economic survival. Unfortunately, the unintended consequences of so much palm oil cultivation – namely, land clearing with only the most extreme prejudice — is the elimination of high conservation value habitat for critically endangered species like the orangutan, Sumatran rhino and Sumatran and Borneo pygmy elephant.

Thankfully for our easily-sapped spirits, patches of green forest, hope and conservation miracles were indeed found in those sanctuaries, rehab centers and protected nature preserves we visited in Indonesia. We saw cute, cuddly baby orangutan-rehabilitants wheeled around en masse in a wheelbarrow, like a bunch of hairy little coconuts, at BOS Nyaru Menteng ( before being released back into what few wildlands that remained (their mothers most likely killed in the kidnappings that made them the orphans they were). We watched slow loris nursed back to health with Dr. Karmele Llano Sanchez at International Animal Sanctuary in Ketapang ( A sweaty climb to the top of an obtrusive, metallic observation tower in the Sabangau National Forest revealed thousands of protected hectares of jungle habitat below currently free for the moment from the environmental rape. After a slow, lazy voyage upriver in a dilapidated, exhaust-billowing “putt-putt-putt” boat straight out of Conrad’s “Heart of Darkness,” we peeked our first glimpse of an orangutan mother and her two daughters in the tree tops of what could graciously be called ‘the wild.”  And on the nearby island of Sumatra, orangutan expert Dr. Ian Singleton mapped out the plat of untouched land his Sumatran Orangutan Conservation Programme had recently acquired to build its own orangutan haven, a serene world far away from the busy metropolis of Medan, now growing fat and bloated on palm oil money, just tens of kilometers away.

But it’s Grendon I remember most about West Kalimantan. That and how human greed has devastated his rainforest home; a wilderness canopy once so prevalent it literally covered the islands of Borneo (the third largest island in the world) and Sumatra like a massive, astonishing green carpet. I often daydream of what it all looked like before the damage colonialism, industrial development, authoritarian regimes like Suharto – and palm oil — wrought on the once untamed land.

I will go back soon. I’ll want to visit those sanctuaries again, and especially those sweet, sentient, red orangutans, though we can never hold them like the local indigenous people employed as skilled caretakers do, their hands and mouths covered by surgical gloves and masks to avoid cross-species contamination. By then, though, Grendon will probably have been released back into the protected forests that still remain; it takes six years to rehabilitate orphaned and/or displaced orangutans.  But I really know I’ll want to go back for another reason: to see Grendon’s rapidly depleting natural rainforest home before it’s too late and gone forever: the victim of Indonesia’s general, and West Kalimantan’s particular, sacrifice to the palm oil god.


GRENDON, The Great, January 2014

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Toosie Roll – Now Using Palm Oil?

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Tootsie Roll has me stymied.  I thought they were one of the good guys on palm oil  Hell, it wasn’t just a few years ago where they were being held out as a paragon of palm oil virtue. In 2013, they were marked by containing no palm oil.

Found here.


And another group labeled Tootsie Rolls as being “Candy that does NOT contain palm oil: (ORANGUTAN-FRIENDLY!)”

Found here:

So imagine how shocked I was when I looked at the ingredients on my post-Halloween leftover candy at work.



So I wrote them, asking “what gives?!”  I mean just as the candy industry, especially Nestle, are moving away from old palm oil policies, Tootsie Roll silently seems to be swimming upstream and now…using palm oil?

Here’s their response:

XXXX, thank you for contacting us. Tootsie Roll Industries uses ingredients from only highly reputable vendors.  This is especially true for our palm oil suppliers.  The company has a supplier approval process that allows us to verify that our palm oil is obtained from vendors that employ environmentally sound sustainability practices.  Our palm oil suppliers design their production process in ways that ensure protection of the environment.

Well, knowing that RSPO certification (if that’s what they’re referring to), is as good as nothing at this point, I wrote back:

I have NO comfort that your vendors use “environmentally sound sustainability practices,” because there really is NO such thing.  Please give me more information on this, if you can.  RSPO certification it literally worthless in the conservation world and is merely green-washing. Their “mass balance” scheme, for instance, means they’re just offsets with environment-destroying palm oil.                                                                                                              
So, please, educate me more on your palm oil sustainability?                                                                                    
You guys didn’t even apparently use palm oil until somewhat recently, isn’t that correct?  In fact, I see many websites that labeled your candy “orangutan” or “rainforest” friendly as recently as 2011 – 2014.                                                                                   
What happened? Just as the whole world is being educated on just how bad palm oil is for the environment and people, and companies are moving away from it because of that destruction, Tootsie Roll decides to start using it?!                                                                   


Crickets.  Silence.  Tumbleweeds.

So I wrote again.  And again.

As of this date, Tootsie Roll has gone silent.  And for once, silence is not golden.

I will be boycotting Tootsie Rolls from now on — or at least until they answer one of my three follow-up emails.


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Clif Bar – Not Far Enough, Not There Yet, on Palm Oil



My girlfriend texted me from work the other day. She said, “I’m eating a Clif Bar, which has palm oil.  Just saw ingredients. It says organic palm oil.”

Knowing organic palm oil doesn’t mean anything when it comes to rainforest destruction, I wrote Clif Bar an email inquiring about their palm oil sourcing.

To be honest, I don’t know why I hadn’t written to them before.  Without getting into their whole Clif Bar ethos, their credo seems to be all about the environment.

Conserving and restoring our natural resources means growing a business that operates in harmony with the laws of nature.

Think again.

An attentive and prompt response came back quickly, pointing to their link that says:

Sustainable Palm Kernel Oil Sourcing

The adoption of Rainforest Alliance certification is a way to help address the environmental and social problems posed by the expansion of palm oil plantations – including deforestation, displacement of indigenous peoples and competition between large agribusinesses. By working to promote the sustainable production and manufacturing of palm oil and palm kernel oil, the Rainforest Alliance is helping to mitigate the social and environmental impacts of a growing industry.

Currently, 100 percent of our USDA-certified organic palm kernel oil is from South America and Rainforest Alliance certified.

We also source conventionally-grown palm kernel oil from Indonesia, Malaysia and the Philippines. We are currently transitioning our conventional palm kernel oil with the goal of sourcing 100 percent of our total palm kernel oil from Rainforest Alliance Certified farms.

Note that last paragraph.  So I wrote back:

Your link shows promise but this gives me MUCH concern:

Does your company know that “conventionally-grown” palm oil in Indonesia, Malaysia and Philippines means:

– Deforestation

– Death of orangutans and other critically endangered species, like Sumatran rhino and Sumatran elephant

– Displacement of people

– Enslavement of workers in atrocious plantation conditions 

– Exacerbation of global warming?

HOW MUCH of your palm oil is sourced from these “conventionally-grown” plantations?  Because it’s THAT MUCH that contributes to the DESTRUCTION OF OUR PLANET.


They responded.

Hi again,

The adoption of Rainforest Alliance certification is a way to help address the environmental and social problems posed by the expansion of palm oil plantations – including deforestation, displacement of indigenous peoples and competition between large agribusinesses. By working to promote the sustainable production and manufacturing of palm oil and palm kernel oil, the Rainforest Alliance is helping to mitigate the social and environmental impacts of a growing industry.

Currently, 100 percent of our USDA-certified organic palm kernel oil is from South America, and certified both Rainforest Alliance and RSPO-IP. The RSPO-IP certification guarantees the traceability of palm oil from the field to origin. It’s the most stringent certification offered by the Roundtable on Sustainable Palm Oil.

Spare me.  I responded again.

Anybody willing to go on the record about my comments below?  

What are you doing to transition?

When will that occur?

How much environmental destruction is Clif Bar willing to inflict on the world until then?

Why should we consumers wait?

How much of this shitty Indonesia/Malaysian “Conventional” palm oil do you use?

Why do you immediately write back when it’s easy to point to link but when I ask deeper questions you go silent.

Clif Bar’s caring about the environment only goes so far, I guess.

To their credit, they got back to me today.

I spoke to a few of my colleagues about where we are with transitioning to 100 percent of our total palm kernel oil from Rainforest Alliance Certified farms. We’re working diligently towards this goal and have found that it’s a very complicated process.  It’s incredibly hard to find suppliers who can meet our quantity and quality demands.  We’ve helped one supplier convert and are working with others to make this transition as well.  It takes time for this process to take root and we’re determined to make it happen.

I will hang on to your contact info and keep you updated over time as I learn more.

Thanks for your patience,

But I couldn’t let this rest.  Too many questions.

Thanks for this, So no timetable on WHEN that will occur? (There are other companies who’ve stopped using bad palm oil, see Dr. Bronner’s and Ben and Jerry’s.


So still some questions

How much environmental destruction is Clif Bar willing to inflict on the world until then?

Why should we consumers wait?

How much of this shitty Indonesia/Malaysian “Conventional” palm oil do you use?


I got another prompt response, but it’s obvious this person is getting tired of my crazy “enviro” ways.

No timetable on when. I’ve answered your questions as best I can and I’ve given you all the information I have. I’ll keep you posted on our progress.


Well, all this to say, Clif Bar KNOWS it’s destroying the environment, is dragging its feet on changing, makes excuses, and doesn’t follow its own credo, or business leaders like Dr. Bronner’s and Ben and Jerry.

I for one, knowing this, will BOYCOTT Clif Bars from now on — and advise my girlfriend and others to do likewise (including my employer’s kitchen).



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Updated: 8/24/2017: Lactaid “Milk”? — With Palm Oil?!


UPDATE: 8/24/2017

I took issue with Lactaid actually being able to say this with a straight metaphorical face:

We do not directly purchase palm oil (PO) or palm kernel oil (PKO) but rather ingredients that are derived from PO and PKO.”

It’s logically absurd, I maintained, writing back:

Do you think that gets you OFF THE HOOK for palm oil devastation? That’s like a cook saying they get their sweetener from corn syrup, which is derived from cornstarch but not from the actual fleshy part of the corn kernel that is part of the whole corn stalk.

Well, they agreed. And clearly they feel a bit responsible. Here’s their response:


Sorry for any confusion about the source of this ingredient. Johnson & Johnson Consumer, Inc. has an obligation to preserve the environment and we are implementing programs across the world to limit our footprint and environmental impact. In 2014 we published our Responsible Palm Oil Sourcing Criteria and engaged The Forest Trust to work with us and our largest suppliers to share supply chain information and assess compliance with our sourcing criteria which prohibits development in High Carbon Stock forests, peatlands and burning as a method to clear land for new developments or to re-plant. We do not directly purchase palm oil (PO) or palm kernel oil (PKO) but rather ingredients that are derived from PO and PKO.

Johnson & Johnson Consumer, Inc. has removed one supplier for noncompliance with our standards and we will continue to take appropriate measures to verify conformance and engage with other companies and NGOs to promote responsible palm oil production to address the environmental impact.

You can learn more about our work with The Forest Trust at:

We hope this is helpful.



Original Post:  8/18/2017

Who knew?  My girlfriend has been forcing me to buy Lactaid for a few months now.  Ever since I started using her new coffee machine (Nespresso; and, yes, we recycle/compost all the single use capsules), I’ve used the milk. But something didn’t seem right. If this wasn’t genuine milk, what else was in there?  Sure enough, it’s vitamin A palmitate.  Note the root word:  palm.  So I wrote a message to Lactaid on FB.

I bought your milk. I was shocked it contains vitamin A palmitate. From the root word seemingly palm, does your company derive this from rainforest-destroying palm oil? Orangutans are dying in the deforestation of their habitat, indigenous people are being enslaved in plantations. Global warming is exacerbated. Please tell me the source of your palm oil. Thank you.

What I got back shows a decidedly low brow take, not to mention a frighteningly uneducated “guess” on the palm oil query.

Hi, XXXX! We replied to your comments, but wanted to make sure you knew we saw your message as well. The Vitamin A Palmitate in our products is a natural fatty acid and not derived from palm oil. We hope the rest of your day goes well!

Woops! We mixed up our words a bit there 😊 The Vitamin A Palmitate is derived from palm oil, but is not made from palm trees. Sorry about that!


Wait, what?  Palm oil that doesn’t come from the fruit of oil palm trees?  I was incredulous, so I wrote back:

Wait, what? So where does your palm oil come from? I’d bet it DOES come from oil palm trees that are causing the deforestation in Indonesia/Malaysia, and creeping around the world

They wrote back, referring me to their corporate master’s statement on palm oil, but still sticking to their totally bogus claim that palm oil doesn’t come from palm trees (you know, the ones destroying the rainforests?).

Johnson & Johnson

As a branded personal products manufacturer and supplier, Johnson & Johnson Consumer, Inc. (J&J) sources ingredients derived from palm and palm kernel oil that are used to manufacture products like shampoos, moisturisers, soaps and liquid body wash. These ingredients – including soap noodles, surfactants, emulsifiers and other oleo chemicals – are all derivatives of the palm oil refining process. The high presence of palm kernel oil and the large number of refining steps in the supply chains for these ingredients makes traceability significantly more difficult than with many palm oil based food products. However, since the issuance of J&J’s palm oil sourcing criteria – drafted with TFT’s support – J&J and TFT have been working together to engage the largest suppliers and enhance transparency in the supply chains for these ingredients. As visibility back to palm oil mills is achieved, TFT will provide insights on potential issues related to the criteria and support J&J and their suppliers as they address potential issues together.

Finally, I was so shocked by their sheer cluelessness — J&J’s OWN page describes palm oil and its supply chain and NEVER dispels the notion that, well, palm oil actually DOES come from oil palm trees.

So I wrote back, asking for comment:

Where in the world do you guys think you did not get your Palm Oil from oil palm trees?! Please educate yourselves; that’s where it comes from and it causes deforestation. I’m boycotting your fucking product and posting all this on my anti-palm oil block. Jesus.

Care to comment knowingly and in an educated matter for my blog piece? Because you guys won’t come out looking too well when you don’t realize that palm oil doesn’t come from oil palm trees.  You know, the source of so much deforestation, death, destruction, displacement and exacerbation of global warming.

I’ll publish any comments they may give on this subject.  But talk about a disconnect!

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